202 points by jjgreen 2 days ago | 219 comments on HN
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Editorial · v3.7· 2026-03-15 23:20:20 0
Summary Digital Freedom & Surveillance Advocates
This opinion piece advocates against age-verification laws requiring operating system vendors to collect and store user age data, framing such policies as government overreach into digital freedoms and privacy. The article defends open-source systems' historical commitment to user autonomy and questions whether age restrictions serve legitimate safety purposes, positioning technological access as a fundamental right. The Register's publication of this critical opinion demonstrates commitment to free expression on technology policy affecting human rights.
Rights Tensions2 pairs
Art 3 ↔ Art 25 —Privacy vs. Safety: Age verification mandates collect personal data (violating Article 3 privacy) ostensibly to protect minors' welfare (Article 25), but the article argues this trade-off is unjustified and historically ineffective.
Art 19 ↔ Art 1 —Free Expression vs. Human Dignity of Minors: Age restrictions on OS access limit teens' right to information and expression (Article 19) in the name of protecting dignitary interests (Article 1), but the article questions whether such paternalism respects young people's inherent dignity.
I think it’s more that they have no idea that Linux exists, or headless operating systems used on servers and embedded devices. They are trying to legislate based on the experience of having an iPhone.
FOSS (and frankly all systems that don’t use walled garden commercial app stores) should be exempted from this, at a minimum.
This headline is misleading. The California law requires that the OS store and provide the age bracket. It does not require that any verification take place.
I am not arguing that this is a good idea, but it is simply false that the law requires that Linux 'check kids' IDs before booting'.
The New York law is worse, and should be opposed, but the article only mentions it at the end - and even then, we actually don't know what the verification mechanism would be. I've heard a proposal that "age verification passes" be sold at liqour stores and porno shops, for example, who already seem to do an acceptable job of checking ID without destroying people's privacy.
> The real problem is this hodgepodge of laws; it's the growth of the surveillance state. From voting rights in the United States, facing Trump's Orwellian-named SAVE America Act, to Ring's doggie tracking system that can also be used to follow people, to Trump booting Anthropic to the side for refusing to allow its AI tools to be used for mass surveillance, privacy is on the decline.
I understand it is popular to pick on the current administration, and there are plenty of rightful reasons to, but let's not forget this has been happening way before either of Trump's terms (see: KYC laws). The only difference between then and now is that current administration has essentially taken a mask-off approach, so we get to see this discussion finally brought up by mainstream media outlets.
> Jef Spaleta, the Fedora Project leader, isn't sure of the legalities, but he thinks it might be as simple as mapping "uid to usernames and group membership and having a new file in /etc/ that keeps up with age."
Personally I think Linux distros should ignore this law and put a disclaimer on their download sites. I expect OpenBSD will do just that. If Linux decides to make this a requirement, I guess I know what OS I will move to next.
Anyway, Instead of a new file, there are optional fields in /etc/passwd that can be used for "age". These fields can be added as comma separated fields. But, maybe he is thinking of making the new file readable only by root ?
Many parents will not be proactive in protecting their children online and I think this is a legitimate societal problem. The idea of algorithmic feeds for adult content that descend into increasingly "engaging" depictions is something I find horrifying.
I do not want my kids to experience those "loss of innocence" moments too soon by letting their curiosity lead them into things they are not equipped to confront yet. Hell, I still have those moments as an adult on occasion.
There has to be steps we can take as a society to address these legitimate challenges ourselves so that governments can no longer hide behind them in tinkering with mechanisms for stability and control. Maybe a "sunlight disinfects" approach.
I started using Linux when I was in high school. I got my first job years later because I knew my way around Linux much better than other candidates. My OS never tried to track my age to prevent me doing what I wanted. I used to live in one of these places where OSs should report user’s age and I am glad my kid will grow up in one that doesn’t (yet?).
I guess going forward if you are under 18 and want to learn programming and not be harassed by the government you have to go back to having and offline only computer and stack of o'reilly books?
Totally inaccurate. The actual technical requirement is to add a self-reported age field to user creation flows, and that the value selected be made available to applications.
But let's just pretend something totally different is happening. It's more exciting that way.
The overwhelming majority of programmers likely cut their teeth on computers as kids. Any attempt to restrict computer access to 18+ will only handicap American programmers in the job market.
When I was very young I installed OpenSUSE on my underpowered windows PC, it was really a hacker man experience that is engraved in my mind as a core memory. As a child I just thought it was cool to have a new and faster desktop, but as I've grown older I've stayed with Linux for its ideas and principles. Hopefully these laws can be overturned...
This is all just unenforceable theater. Are they going to jail or fine open source developers if they create an OS that doesn't support the requirements? Are they going to do customs checks for OSs? Firewalls?
These kinds of laws just seem like unworkable messes to fool the tech ignorant into thinking they care about kids.
Application side I get, there is an entity there running the application, that can be fined or banned or what have you. But software itself? No.
When we are installing docker repositories on my Rockylinux installation on 100 nodes at once, should we need to manually put an age of the person who is running the script somewhere in the process? Will docker be forced to prevent me from downloading its packages if I do not transmit the age in a header?
> These laws can, and almost certainly will, get worse. New York's proposed Senate Bill S8102A explicitly forbids self-reporting. The state Attorney General will decide how to enforce it. For example, to use Linux, you might need to submit a driver's license.
I don't think it's unique to America either. It's just the ebb and flow of the envelope of possibilities for central governance as technology and culture changes. FATF has managed to implement KYC worldwide, even in banana republics at least for the peasant without connections.
You're not wrong, but there is a huge difference between moving US government regulated currency to (possibly) foreign and (possibly) nefarious actors, and this.
Who is paying FOSS devs who will be implementing this? Who is providing them with legal indemnification since they are now apparently subject to fines for a fucking hobby if they do it wrong? Who is making CA the only jurisdiction instead of the myriad contradictory laws all over the place? Who is stepping in to make sure no additional legislation comes across regulating how FOSS has to include backdoors or weaken encryption?
I want my kids exposed to the brutal realities of the world asap.
I reflect that my innocence caused me to make some extreme major mistakes as a young adult that took a decade to show itself. I cannot go back, and now I am suffering terribly.
I blame my parents at least a little bit, but I blame western idealism more majorly.
Soon programming will itself require a license. Only government approved individuals will be able to write code. CPUs will only boot software signed by the government.
And well, the law represents an intent.. if self-reporting won't work (obviously won't), then the scenario where PCs end up as locked down as smartphones is not far fetched.
It seems to me that this is a parental responsibility. Understandably, we have shifted increasing amounts of those on to the state. However, there are fireplaces, stoves, drills, and other power tools at home. Is the state responsible for children getting into those?
They probably omitted it because it is irrelevant. It says (according to the title of the Reddit post...the body has been removed) Meta is supporting laws to collect more data, which they profit from.
The Register article is about laws that were specifically designed to not give Meta and their ilk anything more than an unverified age bracket. The age reported is whatever the person who set up the account on the computer said to report.
High A: strong advocacy for free expression and information access F: framing age verification as censorship of young people P: open publication enabling public discourse on regulatory threats C: extensive coverage of multi-state regulatory expansion
Editorial
+0.70
SETL
+0.32
Article defends right to freedom of opinion and expression regarding computing access. Opposes age-verification laws as censoring young people's participation in digital life and open-source communities. Advocates for unrestricted access to information and technology without age-based gatekeeping.
FW Ratio: 63%
Observable Facts
Article title emphasizes government 'demanding' age checks, framing regulation as restriction of expression.
Author states age-verification laws 'block young people from using operating systems,' characterizing regulation as censorship.
Content explicitly references Linux and open-source communities' historical commitment to user freedom and expression.
Article cites regulatory expansion across multiple US states and Congress, enabling informed public discourse.
Page contains no paywall or registration barrier, permitting universal access to information.
Inferences
Article frames age verification as a form of age-based censorship restricting young people's right to access information and technology.
Emphasis on regulatory expansion and institutional criticism serves investigative journalism function supporting Article 19.
Open access model directly supports right to receive information without age-based gatekeeping.
High A: strong opposition to destruction of stated rights F: framing age verification as erosion of computing freedom P: defending open-source systems from regulatory dismantling
Editorial
+0.65
SETL
+0.31
Article defends against age-verification laws that would effectively destroy young people's right to access and use computing systems. Characterizes regulatory expansion as systematic erosion of computing freedom and open-source principles. Advocates preserving rights against incremental restriction.
FW Ratio: 63%
Observable Facts
Article repeatedly characterizes age-verification laws as restrictions on computing access for young people.
Content emphasizes that open-source systems have 'always been about empowering their users,' framing regulation as destroying established practice.
Article warns of escalating regulatory overreach ('Big Brother is only going to get worse'), suggesting cumulative erosion of rights.
Reference to multiple legislative efforts (App Store Accountability Act, copycat state bills) indicates coordinated threat to existing freedoms.
Author frames computing access as historically age-neutral right being systematically destroyed.
Inferences
Article characterizes age-verification laws as systematic destruction of young people's right to computing access.
Warning of escalating regulatory expansion suggests article advocates for preserving existing freedoms against incremental erosion.
Emphasis on open-source systems' historical freedom suggests defense against destruction of established rights-supporting systems.
Medium A: opposition to arbitrary state detention and control F: framing age verification as unlawful overreach P: open platform enabling public critique of arbitrary regulation
Editorial
+0.60
SETL
+0.42
Article opposes age-verification laws as arbitrary state action. Frames regulatory requirements as governmental overreach without substantive justification ('safeguarding crisis')—implicitly defending against arbitrary state interference in computing access.
FW Ratio: 60%
Observable Facts
Article subtitle states age-verification laws target OS because 'apparently teenagers having root access is now a safeguarding crisis,' using sarcasm to challenge legitimacy of justification.
Author characterizes laws as part of expanding government control ('Big Brother is only going to get worse').
Content frames regulatory expansion as lacking rational basis, suggesting arbitrariness.
Inferences
The article presents age-verification laws as arbitrary state action lacking proportional justification.
Use of ironic framing ('Nanny state,' scare quotes around 'safeguarding crisis') suggests the author views regulations as pretextual or irrational.
Medium A: advocacy for social and international order supporting rights F: framing age verification as disorder threatening computing freedom C: reporting on multi-state and international regulatory expansion
Editorial
+0.60
SETL
+0.35
Article critiques regulatory expansion as undermining the social order supporting computing freedom and open-source values. References global pattern of age-verification laws spreading across jurisdictions, threatening international order based on open access principles.
FW Ratio: 67%
Observable Facts
Article reports age-verification laws spreading across 'several states in the US' with Congress advancing related legislation.
Content warns of broader pattern ('Big Brother is only going to get worse'), suggesting systemic threat to rights-supporting order.
Article characterizes open-source systems as historically founded on empowerment principles, threatened by regulatory overreach.
Reference to multiple jurisdictions advancing similar legislation suggests international regulatory trend.
Inferences
Article frames expanding age-verification laws as threat to social order based on open access and user empowerment.
Reporting on multi-jurisdictional regulatory expansion suggests concern about erosion of international order supporting computing freedom.
Medium A: advocacy for equal treatment regardless of age F: framing age as irrelevant to computing rights P: platform enabling critique of discriminatory age-based regulation
Editorial
+0.55
SETL
+0.29
Article defends young people's right to access operating systems without age-based discrimination. Argues that age verification violates the principle that all humans deserve equal freedoms and dignity regardless of age.
FW Ratio: 60%
Observable Facts
Article states Linux OSes empower users 'no matter whether they're five or ninety-five.'
Author presents age-verification laws as targeting teenagers' access to root privileges without substantive justification.
Content emphasizes that OS access has historically been age-neutral among open-source communities.
Inferences
The article asserts that age-based restrictions on computing access contradict principles of equal treatment and universal human dignity.
Comparison across vendors (Apple, Microsoft, Linux) suggests age discrimination is a policy choice, not technical necessity.
Medium A: advocacy for participation in governmental decisions F: framing age verification as undemocratic state overreach P: public discourse enabling informed democratic participation C: reporting on legislative expansion enabling informed civic engagement
Editorial
+0.55
SETL
+0.23
Article implicitly critiques democratic deficit in age-verification policies by highlighting rapid regulatory expansion without apparent public mandate or substantive justification. Defends right to participate in decisions affecting computing freedom.
FW Ratio: 67%
Observable Facts
Article reports that 'several states in the US are now demanding' age verification and references Congress advancing related legislation.
Content describes regulatory expansion as part of broader pattern ('Big Brother is only going to get worse'), enabling public awareness.
Reference to colleague Liam Proven's reporting enables informed discourse on legislative action.
Article frames laws as affecting young people's participation in digital life without their apparent input.
Inferences
Article critiques regulatory expansion as insufficiently justified and broadly applied, suggesting democratic participation deficit.
Reporting on legislative action supports informed citizenship and ability to influence governmental decisions.
Medium A: advocacy for community participation and limitation of authority F: framing age verification as abuse of regulatory authority P: exposing governmental overreach
Editorial
+0.55
SETL
+0.23
Article defends limitations on governmental authority over computing systems. Argues age-verification laws exceed legitimate regulatory scope and conflict with open-source values of user autonomy and freedom. Emphasizes duty to limit state power in digital sphere.
FW Ratio: 67%
Observable Facts
Article characterizes age-verification laws as overreach without proportional justification ('safeguarding crisis' in scare quotes).
Content emphasizes that open-source systems have historically resisted control and centralization.
Author frames regulatory expansion as ongoing threat requiring public scrutiny and resistance.
Article critiques both state and corporate data collection practices (Microsoft account requirements, Apple surveillance).
Inferences
Article frames age-verification laws as abuse of regulatory authority beyond legitimate scope.
Emphasis on limiting state power in computing suggests alignment with principle that authority should serve human dignity rather than control.
Medium A: opposition to state interference in private computing F: framing age verification as invasive state surveillance P: open platform enabling critique of privacy invasion
Editorial
+0.50
SETL
+0.35
Article opposes age-verification requirements as intrusive state collection of personal data. Defends privacy in computing choices and resists mandatory government profiling of users.
FW Ratio: 60%
Observable Facts
Article states operating system vendors must 'collect and store the age or date of birth for each user account,' characterizing this as involuntary data surrender.
Author emphasizes open-source OS values 'empowering users,' implicitly defending against forced data collection.
Content opposes mandatory government data collection as incompatible with computing freedom.
Inferences
Article frames age-verification requirements as unjustified state intrusion into personal computing practice.
Emphasis on 'open source' philosophy suggests alignment with privacy protection and user autonomy against state profiling.
Medium A: advocacy for participation in cultural and technical communities F: framing open-source computing as cultural commons P: defending access to shared technical heritage
Editorial
+0.50
SETL
+0.22
Article defends participation in open-source computing culture and communities. Characterizes Linux and BSD systems as shared cultural and technical heritage enabling creative participation and community membership.
FW Ratio: 60%
Observable Facts
Article emphasizes Linux and open-source communities' historical commitment to shared principles and values.
Content references open-source systems as enabling collective participation and creative expression.
Article frames age restrictions as barriers to cultural and community participation.
Inferences
Article defends open-source computing as cultural commons requiring unrestricted access regardless of age.
Emphasis on community values suggests support for participation in shared technical and cultural heritage.
Medium A: defense of individual liberty against state overreach F: framing age verification as governmental intrusion rather than protective measure P: open publication supporting public discourse on regulatory threats
Editorial
+0.45
SETL
+0.21
Article criticizes age-verification laws as an overreach violating personal autonomy and computing freedom. Defends young people's right to unfettered access to operating systems and resists framing that prioritizes state control over individual choice.
FW Ratio: 57%
Observable Facts
Article headline describes government age-verification laws as 'demanding' OS vendors 'check kids IDs before booting'.
Author states Linux and open-source OSes 'have always been about empowering their users to do anything they want.'
Article references US Congress advancing an App Store Accountability Act and state lawmakers floating copycat bills.
Content explicitly opposes age-verification requirements as incompatible with computing freedom.
Inferences
The article frames age verification as governmental overreach rather than child protection, valuing individual liberty over state paternalism.
Reference to Linux's historical commitment to user empowerment suggests alignment with principles of personal autonomy and resistance to control.
Medium A: advocacy for educational freedom and access F: defending young people's right to technical education and skill development P: open-source systems enable self-directed learning
Editorial
+0.45
SETL
+0.21
Article implicitly defends educational freedom by opposing barriers to young people's access to computing systems. Linux and open-source systems enable technical education, skill development, and self-directed learning without age gatekeeping.
FW Ratio: 60%
Observable Facts
Article emphasizes Linux systems' historical role in empowering users 'to do anything they want,' including learning and experimentation.
Content frames age restrictions as barriers to educational participation and technical skill development.
Reference to teenagers' access to 'root access' implies learning and technical autonomy.
Inferences
Article defends computing access as educational right necessary for technical literacy and skill development.
Emphasis on open-source systems' enabling function suggests support for accessible, self-directed learning.
Low A: implicit support for peaceful assembly and association F: defending open-source community values and collective participation P: platform enabling collective discourse
Editorial
+0.40
SETL
+0.20
Article implicitly defends open-source computing communities' right to associate and self-organize around shared values of freedom and user empowerment. Opposes government restrictions that would fragment these communities.
FW Ratio: 50%
Observable Facts
Article emphasizes Linux and open-source OS communities' historical commitment to shared principles of user freedom.
Content describes open-source systems as enabling collective participation and values-based association.
Inferences
Article implicitly defends open-source communities' right to collectively define computing values and resist external regulation.
Emphasis on community-based systems suggests support for associational freedom in technology space.
Medium A: implicit defense of bodily autonomy in computing context F: framing age verification as intrusive data collection P: ad tracking present on domain contradicts privacy protection
Editorial
+0.35
SETL
+0.42
Article opposes state collection of 'age or date of birth for each user account,' framing this as unwanted data collection and surveillance. Implicitly defends privacy and bodily autonomy against state intrusion.
FW Ratio: 60%
Observable Facts
Article explicitly states that several US states 'are now demanding that operating system vendors collect and store the age or date of birth for each user account.'
Author highlights Apple's 'Enhanced Visual Search' as privacy-invasive, demonstrating awareness of surveillance concerns.
Page renders with DoubleClick ad network code, indicating behavioral tracking infrastructure.
Inferences
The article frames mandatory age data collection as a privacy violation, opposing state-mandated demographic profiling.
Structural contradiction between editorial advocacy against data collection and site's use of ad tracking suggests tension between principle and practice.
No specific privacy policy examined on this URL; standard tech news site practices assumed.
Terms of Service
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Terms of service not examined on this URL.
Identity & Mission
Mission
+0.15
Article 19
The Register's editorial mission emphasizes scrutiny of technology, institutions, and public sector decisions. This supports investigative reporting on electoral system failures, which aligns with free expression and public accountability.
Editorial Code
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No specific editorial code disclosed on this URL.
Ownership
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Domain ownership context not examined in detail; independent tech publication.
Access & Distribution
Access Model
+0.10
Article 19
Article appears freely accessible without paywall, supporting right to receive information.
Ad/Tracking
-0.05
Article 3
Presence of ad network code (DoubleClick) suggests behavioral tracking; minor negative modifier for privacy considerations.
Accessibility
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No accessibility barriers observed in article structure.
High A: strong advocacy for free expression and information access F: framing age verification as censorship of young people P: open publication enabling public discourse on regulatory threats C: extensive coverage of multi-state regulatory expansion
Structural
+0.55
Context Modifier
+0.25
SETL
+0.32
Article freely accessible without paywall or registration, supporting right to receive information. Open publication platform enables public discourse on regulatory threats to free expression. Domain mission emphasizes institutional scrutiny, supporting investigative function.
High A: strong opposition to destruction of stated rights F: framing age verification as erosion of computing freedom P: defending open-source systems from regulatory dismantling
Structural
+0.50
Context Modifier
0.00
SETL
+0.31
Open platform enables public defense against regulatory threats to existing computing freedoms and community values.
Medium A: advocacy for participation in governmental decisions F: framing age verification as undemocratic state overreach P: public discourse enabling informed democratic participation C: reporting on legislative expansion enabling informed civic engagement
Structural
+0.45
Context Modifier
0.00
SETL
+0.23
Open publication enables public discourse and informed participation in decisions about technology regulation. Reporting on legislative action supports democratic accountability.
Medium A: advocacy for community participation and limitation of authority F: framing age verification as abuse of regulatory authority P: exposing governmental overreach
Structural
+0.45
Context Modifier
0.00
SETL
+0.23
Investigative journalism exposing regulatory overreach serves function of accountability and limiting arbitrary authority.
Medium A: advocacy for equal treatment regardless of age F: framing age as irrelevant to computing rights P: platform enabling critique of discriminatory age-based regulation
Structural
+0.40
Context Modifier
0.00
SETL
+0.29
Open access and freely published opinion supports equal right to receive information and participate in public discourse about rights.
Medium A: advocacy for participation in cultural and technical communities F: framing open-source computing as cultural commons P: defending access to shared technical heritage
Structural
+0.40
Context Modifier
0.00
SETL
+0.22
Open publication enables participation in discourse about computing culture and community values.
Medium A: advocacy for social and international order supporting rights F: framing age verification as disorder threatening computing freedom C: reporting on multi-state and international regulatory expansion
Structural
+0.40
Context Modifier
0.00
SETL
+0.35
Investigative reporting on regulatory trends enables informed discourse about international patterns threatening rights-supporting systems.
Medium A: defense of individual liberty against state overreach F: framing age verification as governmental intrusion rather than protective measure P: open publication supporting public discourse on regulatory threats
Structural
+0.35
Context Modifier
0.00
SETL
+0.21
Article freely accessible without paywall supports information access. Presence of ad tracking networks conflicts slightly with privacy principles underlying UDHR Preamble's commitment to dignity and freedom.
Medium A: advocacy for educational freedom and access F: defending young people's right to technical education and skill development P: open-source systems enable self-directed learning
Structural
+0.35
Context Modifier
0.00
SETL
+0.21
Open publication supports educational access to information about computing freedom and regulatory threats.
Medium A: opposition to arbitrary state detention and control F: framing age verification as unlawful overreach P: open platform enabling public critique of arbitrary regulation
Structural
+0.30
Context Modifier
0.00
SETL
+0.42
Open access and unrestricted publication support right to challenge arbitrary governmental action.
Low A: implicit support for peaceful assembly and association F: defending open-source community values and collective participation P: platform enabling collective discourse
Structural
+0.30
Context Modifier
0.00
SETL
+0.20
Published opinion piece enables collective discourse and assembly of viewpoints on regulatory threats.
Medium A: opposition to state interference in private computing F: framing age verification as invasive state surveillance P: open platform enabling critique of privacy invasion
Structural
+0.25
Context Modifier
0.00
SETL
+0.35
Freely accessible publication supports right to discuss privacy violations. Ad tracking on domain contradicts privacy protection principle.
Medium A: implicit defense of bodily autonomy in computing context F: framing age verification as intrusive data collection P: ad tracking present on domain contradicts privacy protection
Structural
-0.15
Context Modifier
-0.05
SETL
+0.42
Presence of DoubleClick ad tracking and behavioral monitoring on the domain contradicts stated editorial position on privacy and data collection.
'Nanny state' and 'Big Brother' language used to characterize age verification policy; repeated use of 'happy, happy, joy, joy' expresses sarcasm about policy expansion.
appeal to fear
'Big Brother is only going to get worse' and warning that 'OS‑level age verification is poised to become a standard part' uses escalation language to evoke concern about systematic expansion.
false dilemma
Content frames choice as binary: open-source systems that 'empower users' vs. proprietary systems enabling state control, without acknowledging regulatory middle grounds.