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-0.01 More Cows, More Wives (www.worksinprogress.news S:0.00 )
95 points by oxw 4 days ago | 64 comments on HN | Neutral Editorial · v3.7 · 2026-02-28 13:08:10 0
Summary Marriage & Family Systems Acknowledges
This anthropological essay examines the remarkable diversity of human marriage customs across cultures and history, from ghost marriages among the Nuer to polygamous pastoralist societies to monogamous European inheritance systems. The article analyzes how environmental factors—particularly the shift from hunting-gathering to agriculture and wealth accumulation—shape marriage institutions, including practices that restrict women's freedom and sexuality. While respecting cultural variation and implicitly celebrating the diversity of human family forms, the work documents extensive systems of control and discrimination without proposing reforms or advocating for particular policy changes.
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Max +0.09 Article 27 Min -0.09 Article 2
Signal 8 No Data 23
Volatility 0.06 (Low)
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FW Ratio 58% 19 facts · 14 inferences
Evidence 21% coverage
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Foundation Security Legal Privacy & Movement Personal Expression Economic & Social Cultural Order & Duties Foundation: -0.04 (2 articles) Security: -0.06 (1 articles) Legal: 0.00 (1 articles) Privacy & Movement: -0.06 (1 articles) Personal: 0.03 (2 articles) Expression: 0.00 (0 articles) Economic & Social: 0.00 (0 articles) Cultural: 0.09 (1 articles) Order & Duties: 0.00 (0 articles)
HN Discussion 6 top-level · 7 replies
bell-cot 2026-02-28 13:41 UTC link
Not an anthropologist - but instead of "How farming promotes inequality", I'd frame it as "How resource-producing capital promotes inequality". It could be livestock in a migratory herding society, or boats and nets when those were critical for fishing, or whatever.

> In contemporary Western societies, unigeniture is either considered wrong or is illegal; we no longer differentiate between legitimate and illegitimate offspring...

At best, those are common ideals in Western society. Try talking to an old attorney who does family law.

Also worth a mention - in primitive conditions, polygamy can speed the spread of highly beneficial genes through the society. The textbook case is immune system genes - historically, disease killed a lot of our ancestors.

mkoubaa 2026-02-28 14:08 UTC link
Eden was probably just a metaphor for life before agriculture
ekjhgkejhgk 2026-02-28 14:08 UTC link
> Only virgins could take part in the final initiation ritual, which involved lying open-eyed beneath a waterfall to cleanse themselves of the pollution caused by having seen a woman’s genitals. Nearby, teasing girls would sing: ‘I urinated further up this creek. Where did you purify your eyes?’

So fucking hot.

TacticalCoder 2026-02-28 14:34 UTC link
> So how does one explain the parts of the world, like Europe and large parts of Asia, that are unequal yet predominantly monogamous?

Note that when we talk about polygamy in the past, it's about, like in TFA, a man with many wives. Not a woman with many men.

How does the modern "free" and "liberated" world reconcile that with feminism? When we talk about modern-day polygamous societies, it's basically islam. And islam is a highly patriarcal society.

So what's the take of feminists on these facts?

geremiiah 2026-02-28 15:00 UTC link
Enjoyable read. I've long since been wondering whether the low birth rates have something to do with the insecurity that surrounds modern day marriages. If you're a woman you don't want to invest in children, only to be divorced and left to raise the child of your now No.1 enemy. If you're a man, the insecurity is around whether the child is yours and also whether your wife will later divorce you and your child be taken away from you (sure visitation rights, but pratically the child grows up in the household of another man, if she remarries).
ramesh31 2026-02-28 15:38 UTC link
I mean it makes sense, all you really need are cows and wives to turn sunshine into children. What more could a man need.
ekjhgkejhgk 2026-02-28 14:11 UTC link
> I'd frame it as "How resource-producing capital promotes inequality". It could be livestock in a migratory herding society, or boats and nets when those were critical for fishing, or whatever.

I agree, but nitpick: capital by definition can be put to use to produce or gather something. So resource-producing capital is redundant.

geremiiah 2026-02-28 14:54 UTC link
Polyandry also exists, but it tends to be bottom of the barrel loser men who let themselves be governed by an equally bottom of the barrel woman for a crumb of pussy. There's quite a few crime reports with such conregation of people.
dyauspitr 2026-02-28 15:09 UTC link
75% of divorces are initiated by women in the US. If college educated that number jumps to 90%. Divorce as an mechanism, is almost entirely used by women.
n1b0m 2026-02-28 15:14 UTC link
Polyandry exists mainly in isolated, agrarian, or mountainous regions like Tibet, Nepal, and parts of India to preserve land and family resources. It is also found in some African communities and among indigenous groups.

The most common form is where a woman marries a group of brothers to keep family land and assets united. It is often a strategic economic decision for survival in difficult conditions, rather than just a cultural preference.

mandevil 2026-02-28 15:23 UTC link
TFA talked about the difficulty of division, and waved at the idea that farming was different from pastoral societies because of the ease of division: farming land is more valuable as it is concentrated (because of the well known dangers of having many very small plots that are difficult to work and improve) but a herd (or fishing tools) can be split and merged far more easily. So agriculture drives to unigenture.

A blog post like this is mostly hand-waving at complex ideas, but that was her argument for it.

bell-cot 2026-02-28 15:31 UTC link
From divorces among family & friends - yes, those concerns exist. But they are also worst-case scenarios, and there are many "friendlier" divorces. Or divorces after the kids grow up - where none of the paternity, left-to-raise, and visitation issues really apply.

Vs. even if marriages were magically 100% secure - the costs of having kids in most modern societies have skyrocketed over the past half-ish century or so.

NoImmatureAdHom 2026-02-28 15:55 UTC link
I don't know the feminist take, but just to explain: the reason there is much much more polygyny than polyandry is basic reproduction mechanics. Women max out at ~13 kids, the most reproductively successful men have had thousands. So, a single well-resourced man can keep a bevy of wives at close to their reproductive limit no problem.

(Well, problems come when you do this as a society and create an age group of young men who have no shot at a wife because of 50/50 birth ratio. They get violent.)

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Article 27 Cultural Participation
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Content celebrates cultural diversity in marriage and family systems. Presents varied marriage forms with respect and admiration. Describes BaYaka practices as 'very romantic', details Himba acceptance of extramarital relationships. Implicitly advocates for respecting diverse approaches to family and sexuality

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Article 16 Marriage & Family
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Extensive anthropological coverage of marriage diversity across cultures. Content respects monogamy, polygyny, polyandry, ghost marriage, trial marriage, and informal arrangements as legitimate human institutions. Discusses women's agency and choice even within constrained options. Does not advocate for reform but implicitly celebrates diversity and raises questions about autonomy

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