+0.05 Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build (thenewstack.io S:-0.15 )
128 points by twelvenmonkeys 4 days ago | 78 comments on HN | Mild negative Contested Editorial · v3.7 · 2026-02-26 04:37:35 0
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This technology journalism article about Red Hat's cloud-native desktop platform contains embedded tracking infrastructure that systematically collects user behavioral data without observable explicit consent mechanisms. While the editorial function supports free expression through technology reporting, the structural implementation undermines Article 12 privacy rights through automatic user identification and category-based behavioral tracking, creating tension between journalism's informational value and data extraction practices.
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HN Discussion 11 top-level · 16 replies
p0w3n3d 2026-02-25 14:22 UTC link
My Podman starts containers in arch x86-64-v3 with rosetta on for 27 seconds which Docker does it in 9s. I wonder what's wrong. I've already upgraded Mac to Tahoe (which has x86-64-v3 support included into rosetta)
bmurphy1976 2026-02-25 14:47 UTC link
I tried to use podman desktop for a bit but I ran into some screwy compatibility issues. It just wasn't as smooth as docker.

I really really want an alternative to docker desktop. I don't like the path they're going down. I don't like the AI crap in the UI. The licensing is crazy. It just doesn't feel right.

So I've been lately using rancher by SuSE. Surprisingly, it's been all right. So far it just works. I'm using this on Mac OS.

If anybody's looking for an alternative that's one worth considering.

osigurdson 2026-02-25 14:53 UTC link
I personally prefer the Podman CLI however as you don't need the daemon running in the background and prefer Kubernetes like yamls for local development. I definitely don't need a polished desktop GUI that shows me how many images I have though - I've never understood the use case for that.
pm90 2026-02-25 15:12 UTC link
I love podman. it’s my default whenever i need to run containers locally. Ive also used it to run containerized systemd services.

Selling enterprise licenses is a smart move from Redhat: they actually build/contribute to production grade container orchestration platforms like openshift. Unlike Docker Inc which looks like it only has the docker registry and Docker Desktop.

ImJasonH 2026-02-25 15:58 UTC link
It's unclear to me from this post, or Red Hat's announcement[0] what makes it an enterprise build, aside from offering some support SLA.

Are there any material differences between this and the free OSS Podman Desktop[1] released 4 years ago?

0: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/introducing-red-hat-build-pod... 1: https://podman-desktop.io/

y0ssar1an 2026-02-25 16:03 UTC link
The best alternative to Docker Desktop on macOS is to abandon the GUI entirely use colima to create the linux VM.

    brew install colima docker docker-buildx docker-completion docker-compose
    export DOCKER_HOST="$HOME/.colima/docker.sock" >> ~/.zshrc
    source ~/.zshrc
    colima start --cpus 8 --vz-rosetta --ssh-agent --mount $HOME:w

then add this line to your $HOME/.docker/config.json

    "cliPluginsExtraDirs": ["/opt/homebrew/lib/docker/cli-plugins"],

that will get you a fast virtiofs VM with the latest docker, including compose and buildx. it may seem scary to replace an officially blessed tool like Docker Desktop, but i have had zero issues with colima. it isn't "docker compatible". it's docker. just need to run `brew upgrade` and `colima update` every once in a while to keep it up to date.
drchaim 2026-02-25 16:40 UTC link
Is anyone paying for this things?
tonnydourado 2026-02-25 16:41 UTC link
Man, I feel bad for Docker, the company. Created the open source project that almost single-handely revolutionized deployments, development environments, and cloud computing, but sorta never managed to stick a product.
throwaway613746 2026-02-25 16:48 UTC link
Never saw the point of these desktop apps. Docker (and podman) works just fine from the CLI only.
blell 2026-02-25 17:56 UTC link
Is Podman still not supported natively on macOS?
RickJWagner 2026-02-25 18:52 UTC link
Congratulations to the Podman Desktop team. They’ve worked hard on the product, Red Hats processes for launching a new offering include some daunting gates. Good job, team.
cdrage 2026-02-25 14:53 UTC link
What sort of compatibility issues were you encountering? (disclaimer: I'm on the Podman Desktop team)

If it was compose + docker compatibility issues, that's on the roadmap for improvement :). Compose support is flakey at times (it's essentially a wrapper around the open source binary https://github.com/docker/compose)

cdrage 2026-02-25 15:03 UTC link
Ahhh, one of the reasons could be that Docker Desktop by default uses 50% of your RAM when they create their VM and the maximum amount of CPUs.

Podman Desktop by default has a much lower RAM (4GB) + CPU usage (50% CPU). That's something that could be improved... I've opened up an issue: https://github.com/podman-desktop/podman-desktop/issues/1634... :)

chuckadams 2026-02-25 15:15 UTC link
OrbStack is a very compelling alternative on macOS. The GUI launches instantly due to being a Swift app and not Electron. Container filesystems are visible in Finder. You can spin up full-blown VMs with it (only Linux ones though). Storage is managed dynamically, so you don't have to reserve or resize the virtual disk. Free for personal use, with zero nags or upsells.
zitterbewegung 2026-02-25 15:32 UTC link
I love rancher too and I have less issues of docker using all of my local disk. Learned about it at a local Python meetup.
fred_is_fred 2026-02-25 15:59 UTC link
Isn't that what most enterprise software is? A number to call and some kind of contract on it?
jaimehrubiks 2026-02-25 16:07 UTC link
Does this support volume bind mounts and port forwarding?
giancarlostoro 2026-02-25 16:48 UTC link
I'm equally shocked nobody has bought them out to keep them well funded and not focused on trying to monetize (outside of just billing for private images). Every cloud provider like CloudFlare (I think?), Azure, AWS, GCP, etc benefit from Docker, it seems like a no brainer to me... You would then condense the org to just developers and PMs. Then marketing and other employees could be shifted to another part of the parent org and condense it down to a core group that builds and makes the tooling stronger.

I wish we had tax exceptions for companies maintaining open-source projects full time to be reasonable write offs or something, with strict checks so companies dont just make random "open source" projects to write off, it should be something with known sizable impact and/or use, it would make some critical open source projects attractive "buy outs" or options to fully fund for some of these giants that benefit from them. Imagine if the devs entire salary (up to a point) could be written off completely. Some of these people are working on key infrastructure for the modern web, and even other critical systems, think of Chromium (tricky because of Chrome being not-open source but a proprietary end-product), Firefox, Linux, openssl, and obviously Docker, as good example.

eknkc 2026-02-25 16:50 UTC link
I’ve been using OrbStack instead of Docker Desktop and gotta say, I’d not replace it with anything else. So if anyones looking for a more automated alternative, check out OrbStack.
scuff3d 2026-02-25 16:52 UTC link
I'm still confused by why anyone wants to use either Docker or Podman desktops. The the docker/Podman CLIs seem like a much better way to interact with containers/images. Maybe it's just my usecase.
dec0dedab0de 2026-02-25 17:03 UTC link
Same. I switched to podman just so I don't have to troubleshoot why the docker daemon isn't running again.
bityard 2026-02-25 17:34 UTC link
There is definitely something wrong with your setup. I can run an amd64 container on my Macbook Pro M3 in well under a second:

    [~]$ podman pull --arch=amd64 debian:13
    Resolved "debian" as an alias (/etc/containers/registries.conf.d/000-shortnames.conf)
    Trying to pull docker.io/library/debian:13...
    Getting image source signatures
    Copying blob sha256:866771c43bf5eb77362eeeb163c0c825e194c2806d0b697028434e3b9c02f59d
    Copying config sha256:a3624ddeb711bef28c29e6de1502fc3ef9df132c220d1db5a121b2a1e2a74256
    Writing manifest to image destination
    a3624ddeb711bef28c29e6de1502fc3ef9df132c220d1db5a121b2a1e2a74256

    [~]$ time podman run --rm -ti debian:13 uname -m
    WARNING: image platform (linux/amd64) does not match the expected platform (linux/arm64)
    x86_64
    podman run --rm -ti debian:13 uname -m  0.03s user 0.02s system 9% cpu 0.456 total
davidsainez 2026-02-25 18:06 UTC link
I put off podman for a while because of claims of compatibility issues, which is unfortunate because I've had an excellent experience since switching over. Can you point as specific issues you've had (not doubting, just curious)?

I also have heard a lot of recommendations for OrbStack, but I haven't had problems with speed either. And I could never stomach using a proprietary system for such a core part of my workflow.

For context I use containers for practically everything and I run some decently complex workflows on them: fullstack node codebases, networking, persistent volumes, mounting, watch mode, etc. Red Hat knocked it out of the park with podman!

seemaze 2026-02-25 18:16 UTC link
If you're going full CLI on macOS, I've had the best experience with:

    brew install podman
Podman manages the linux vm for you automatically.

I've come to enjoy podman more than docker on my linux hosts anway; the default runtime (crun) is lighter than docker (runc), podman-kube-play is great for managing multi-container pods and is compatible with kubernetes. It also integrates very neatly with systemd. Of course there is the whole daemon-less and rootless side of the things as well..

jpalmer 2026-02-25 18:19 UTC link
I've been using Finch (https://runfinch.com/) for the last few years, it basically is a managed Lima, nerdctl, containerd and BuildKit.

I just alias docker to finch and it just works.

mardifoufs 2026-02-25 18:25 UTC link
I think they are now doing better than ever. And they have been bought out already by Mirantis, unless I missed something.

Podman isn't really a competitor at this point, it's just the "docker at home" NIH project from redhat. It works fine, but docker isn't going anywhere really.

a456463 2026-02-25 19:19 UTC link
Thank you!!! Been struggling with time skew on Podman desktop for around a year now with no fix in sight. At least in the initial test since I saw your comment a few hours ago, this is working great!
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