+0.17 Manjaro website off-line again due to lapsed certificate (distrowatch.com S:+0.13 )
65 points by hexagonsuns 5 days ago | 38 comments on HN | Mild positive Editorial · v3.7 · 2026-03-01 05:10:10 0
Summary Digital Freedom & Access Advocates
This DistroWatch page serves as a comprehensive directory and information hub for Linux and BSD distributions, strongly advocating for open-source computing freedom. The content demonstrates positive alignment with digital rights themes including freedom of information, education access, and cultural participation through technology. While promoting software freedom and accessibility, the page includes third-party advertising scripts that negatively impact privacy considerations.
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HN Discussion 11 top-level · 14 replies
vpShane 2026-02-24 21:18 UTC link
not the first time, I stopped using manjaro when I noticed ping.manjaro.org was being pinged every 30 seconds on a new router I setup. nothanks on that.

but seriously, sudo crontab -e, @monthly cerbot renew

No excuses.

joecool1029 2026-02-24 21:18 UTC link
Oops, it's back now though...
Mond_ 2026-02-24 21:20 UTC link
I used Manjaro for a few years.

That's how I learned a pretty important lesson about software engineering that still informs how I work to this day.

"A layer of abstraction on top of a stateful legacy system often doesn't result in a simpler system, it just introduces exciting new failure possibilities. This especially applies when the owners of the legacy system have no responsibility over the abstraction layer."

ddtaylor 2026-02-24 21:26 UTC link
A lot of repositories and similar go offline randomly. It hasn't happened in a few months but usually the Microsoft package mirrors go past their Azure limits and I get reminders.
allddd 2026-02-24 21:30 UTC link
At this point we have to assume they're doing it for attention. I refuse to believe a team of people that can ship an OS, even if it's just a riced Arch, cannot figure out acme.sh. Come on...
aslihana 2026-02-24 21:36 UTC link
I love Manjaro too much, use it as daily distro but their certificate issues and its recursive behaviour threaten me a little bit.
9cb14c1ec0 2026-02-24 21:36 UTC link
Just use Caddy. It's that simple.
KronisLV 2026-02-24 21:46 UTC link
Uptime Kuma supports certificate expiry notifications and will send you messages in whatever channel (e.g. e-mail, Slack, ...) you configure ahead of time: https://uptimekuma.org/

That way, even if some of your automation is borked (or if you don't have any), you'll at least be reminded.

Though with this being pushed, feels like nobody will have much choice, but automate: https://www.digicert.com/blog/tls-certificate-lifetimes-will...

nottorp 2026-02-24 22:20 UTC link
Technically it wasn't offline, was it?

You could even browse it if you used a browser who still treats you like an adult and allows you to ignore certificate warnings.

toddgardner 2026-02-24 22:31 UTC link
If you never want this to happen again to your systems, we’re building a tool that bakes monitoring and validation into automatic cert renewals.

<https://www.certkit.io/>

PaulCarrack 2026-02-24 23:05 UTC link
I'm often stuck at my desk for long hours, which made it difficult to maintain a healthy weight. I started using Manjaro a few months ago, and it's had a significant impact. It helped control my appetite and reduced the constant cravings I'd usually get, making it easier to make healthier choices. I've lost around 15-20 lbs so far, and I feel much more in control of my eating habits. I know it's a bit anecdotal but it's been an important part of my weight loss journey
peeters 2026-02-24 21:25 UTC link
This comment made a lot more sense to me once I realized we weren't talking about an aggressively marketed weight loss drug.
fishgoesblub 2026-02-24 21:29 UTC link
It's not uncommon for a Distro to point NetworkManager or whoever to check for connectivity using their own servers, Arch does it themselves[0].

[0] ping.archlinux.org

arcanemachiner 2026-02-24 21:42 UTC link
This is like the third or fourth time this has happened to them.

The Manjaro team has also caught flak for a bunch of other stuff. There's a page or two our there that detail the issues, which I'm too lazy to link here.

But let's just say this isn't their first rodeo.

altairprime 2026-02-24 21:57 UTC link
Note that the certbot instructions are to renew 2x a day with up to one hour of randomized delay; using @monthly as suggested here will result in occasional outages if the "once a month" renewal attempt fails in two consecutive months due to transient peak service blips (such as those caused by '@monthly' hardcoding for month X day 1 time 00:00 often UTC without randomization), especially as Let's Encrypt drops their lifetimes to 45 days over the next 2 years, which would result in certificates avoidably expiring in production. Please instead use certbot's recommended 2x/day renew with a random sleep of up to an hour before initiating each attempt; at least one of cronie, at, bash, python, perl random sleep methods are available on most* platforms, and are offered up by the crontab-command generator at https://certbot.eff.org/instructions .

* There is a stack overflow page from 2016 filled with solutions for Busybox, so I'd say 'all' rather than 'some' but someone out there is hosting a webserver on a potato, so better safe than sorry.

marginalia_nu 2026-02-24 22:15 UTC link
Certbot would be like the supply chain attack holy grail. Not sure I'd want software like that running unmonitored automatically with root privileges.
dijit 2026-02-24 22:28 UTC link
"I use arbitrarily complex software that has a rapid SDLC to obfuscate the issue with the fact that we have to have military grade encryption for displaying the equivalent of a poster over the internet".

The state of our industry is such that there will be a lot of people arguing for this absurdity in the replies to me. (or I'll be flagged to death).

Package integrity makes sense, and someone will make the complicated argument that "well ackshually someone can change the download links" completely ignoring the fact that a person doing that would be quickly found out, and if it's up the chain enough then they can get a valid LE cert anyway, it's trivially easy if you are motivated enough and have access to an ASN.

exac 2026-02-24 22:35 UTC link
Respectfully we have had Certbot for 11 years now.
LorenDB 2026-02-24 22:47 UTC link
Meanwhile Caddy exists
9dev 2026-02-24 22:49 UTC link
Paying for certificates..? Manually copying cert files? Man, this reads like it was 2010 or something. Best of luck, but I don’t know why I wouldn’t just use acme.sh and systemd timers instead of this.
hexagonsuns 2026-02-24 22:55 UTC link
Try CachyOS
lachiflippi 2026-02-25 00:22 UTC link
You're developing "certbot, but it's paid and sends private keys around the network instead of generating the csr locally"? Why? Who's the target audience? Platforms that can't run certbot, or any of the infinite amount of other acme clients, most likely won't be able to run your agent as well, so what's the value add vs just running a regular, well-defined (and free!) acme client and just moving the cert over manually?
perching_aix 2026-02-25 01:13 UTC link
The word "legacy" doesn't seem needed there.
retrochameleon 2026-02-25 05:49 UTC link
I went from Manjaro to EndeavourOS. Great experience and I don't see it changing anytime soon. The community is healthy and the project well managed.
HendrikHensen 2026-02-26 20:56 UTC link
Can you explain it for those out of the loop?
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