0.00 Denver dumps Flock, awards contract to Axon (www.9news.comS:ND)
126 points by therobots927 5 days ago | 45 comments on HN | Neutral Mixed · v3.7 · 2026-03-01 05:46:38 0
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HN Discussion 12 top-level · 12 replies
downrightmike 2026-02-24 18:16 UTC link
Anti-Pinkerton Fed act: Gov't may not buy services that it is not legally allowed to do themselves.
tptacek 2026-02-24 18:36 UTC link
This is going to happen in a lot of places that aren't large enough to make news: people dumping Flock over bad publicity, and simply installing ALPR cameras from vendors smart enough not to get themselves embroiled in politics.
xnx 2026-02-24 18:38 UTC link
Seems like a good move. Lots of value to ALPR systems responsibly managed. Flock is just an ass of a company.
fundad 2026-02-24 19:09 UTC link
I thought Flock and Axon were affiliated.
thaumaturgy 2026-02-24 19:30 UTC link
Here in Oregon, I very nearly managed to get some decent legislation drafted that would have required a number of strong data protections from ALPR vendors.

Axon interfered heavily with that process and -- after the legislative workgroup had well concluded and just a couple of hours before the Senate committee was to vote on it -- managed to neuter one of the key protections in the bill.

Axon is not "better" than Flock, they are just slightly less transparent about some aspects and slightly less radioactive.

Community groups that have formed and activated against Flock should continue to harass local governments that immediately switch to Axon as a replacement.

officeplant 2026-02-24 19:52 UTC link
Evil Corp B has been demoted, Evil Corp A to take up the mantle.
psadauskas 2026-02-24 21:23 UTC link
Axon, the taser company? They're not any better, ethically https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Yd9nLQx3qQ

How about Denver just doesn't surveil its citizens, at all?

parineum 2026-02-24 21:50 UTC link
The service that Flock provides is the problem, not Flock. Switching to another company to perform the same task makes no difference.
baggachipz 2026-02-24 21:56 UTC link
How about... and hear me out, here... no ALPRs? Perhaps we shouldn't be violating the Bill of Rights in the name of "safety"?
exabrial 2026-02-25 01:00 UTC link
I'm glad Denver has solved the housing, drug, incarceration, and homeless crises and has money leftover to spend on this.
ProllyInfamous 2026-02-25 02:02 UTC link
More people need bicycle racks hung on their cars — all the time — which seem to fasten best when covering the license plate.

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Many states do not consider a trailer hitch ball as "obstructing" the license plate...

...so I have a trailer hitch ball hung directly across my identifier, entirely obscuring the plate (but not "obstructing," to letter of poorly-written laws e.g. Tennessee's).

Been rolling with it for months and nobody cares. Now I'm in Flock's database as the white Camry with no visible identifier (no bumper stickers nor tag visible).

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First time you get cited for "obstructing license plate," in Tennessee, is a $10.00 fine. Second is $20.00. This state also doesn't require plates for trailers, so after my second citation I'll just start hauling my 2ft long canoe trailer everywhere (which conveniently covers license plate).

BizarroLand 2026-02-26 18:05 UTC link
This sounds a lot like the Simpsons Treehouse of Horror "Citizen Kang" episode that ends with the human race enslaved and Homer saying, "Don't blame me, I voted for Kudos".
tptacek 2026-02-24 18:36 UTC link
Municipal governments are extremely allowed to track license plates within their borders and have been doing so for generations.
fusslo 2026-02-24 18:48 UTC link
AXON seems to be really good about not pushing things too far. I don't know if they lobby/amplify the need for police body cameras, however. Even that, IMO, doesn't have the stench of evil

They must be making huge profits, assuming every bodycam needs some kind of recurring revenue (for evidence.com, maintenance, replacements). BUT as far as I can tell, they are also taking the judicial requirements very seriously. Unlike Flock, I haven't heard anything about AXON providing tools to circumvent the 4th amendment. In fact, AXON makes tools that make it easier to comply with the law. For example, record requests for bodycam videos are (again, afaik) easy to satisfy with their tech.

I don't know what ownership they have of videos stored on their services. Can they use it for LLM training? can they sell anonymized data? do they? no idea, but trust in Flock is at about a 0 out of 10.

therobots927 2026-02-24 19:51 UTC link
That’s good to know. I agree the cameras are the root problem. Flock exacerbated that problem and I think it’s good for them to get some negative publicity.

You could say similar things about Palantir - that it’s just a figurehead and that the NSA / TIA has similar capabilities but it’s still important to use the figurehead as an example to others.

But yes in general I think it’s important to not let this stop here. Denver needs to be pressured to remove the cameras entirely. This is a defensive move on Denver’s part and it shows they’re on their back foot.

helterskelter 2026-02-24 19:53 UTC link
Fellow Oregonian here. Have you got any local resources? I've been writing to my reps, framing ALPR's and cameras as a tool the feds will coopt, but I'm pretty sure nobody reads anything anymore.
nxobject 2026-02-24 20:02 UTC link
Which legislator were you working with? (I'm not going to look the bill up up on OLIS, if that's going to dox you.)

Funnily enough, Portland (apart from big box parking lots) seems to be empty of those. I remember them trying to push ShotSpotter and being slapped down by the city's progressive wing.

anigbrowl 2026-02-24 20:13 UTC link
Axon interfered heavily with that process and -- after the legislative workgroup had well concluded and just a couple of hours before the Senate committee was to vote on it -- managed to neuter one of the key protections in the bill.

This is why I'm increasingly jaded with 'get involved with your local legislative process!' proponents. If you don't have the ability to lobby around the clock and make campaign or in-kind political donations (and know how to communicate your willingness to do that), then you're at a massive disadvantage. As well, the process itself is highly corruptible, eg altering the text of a bill just before a scheduled vote.

As a general matter, I'm increasingly disgusted with the prevalence of tactics like holding votes in the dead of night or in closed sessions. Politicians engage in a lot of tricks to evade scrutiny from their constituents, relying on the fact that once a piece of legislation is passed people might be angry but the politician can often get away with saying 'there was no other choice, we have to work within the process' or some similar empty truism.

terrabitz 2026-02-24 21:00 UTC link
No, two completely separate players. There was a partnership agreement a while ago, but that got severed a while back

https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/axon-plans-to-sever-apis-wi...

helpfulclippy 2026-02-24 21:11 UTC link
I was aware of your bill and had some activity related to it. Kudos to you and EOE for doing great work! Sorry your bill got fucked. :(

I was seethed by what happened to it, and sadly unsurprised by the attitude LE took. I want restraint, but I felt like so many concessions had already been made to get it into work session. E2EE was important, but we're still left with two ends that are deeply untrustworthy, and a bunch of regulations about data governance that I don't trust the state to be able to meaningfully oversee... especially among a patchwork of LEAs across the state. When lapses inevitably happen, I think they're going to mostly undetected, and those that are will be quietly swept under the rug without consequence to anyone.

GorbachevyChase 2026-02-24 23:07 UTC link
The computer vision cat is too far out of the bag. I don’t know how you can feasibly legislate that people can’t own a camera and send its output to OpenCV. Police already read plates with their eyes and can record those observations. The state of mass surveillance is so much worse than road cameras. This feels like a waste of everyone’s time.
4d4m 2026-02-25 16:45 UTC link
obfuscations are a unique fingerprint to these systems. It's not a defense IRL.
pbnjeh 2026-02-26 23:45 UTC link
If a person did to me what these virtual people (corporations) are doing, I could have them prosecuted for stalking.
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