+0.07 Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona (fortune.com S:-0.07 )
447 points by robtherobber 5 days ago | 325 comments on HN | Neutral Contested Editorial · v3.7 · 2026-02-26 03:29:14 0
Summary Privacy & Data Security Acknowledges
This Fortune news article reports on a data breach affecting Discord users through a third-party identity verification vendor backed by Peter Thiel, highlighting privacy violations and corporate accountability issues. The reporting acknowledges privacy rights concerns and includes editorial attribution, but structural constraints (paywall access, user tracking) and limited scope of engagement with human rights frameworks result in moderate, mixed signals regarding human rights commitment.
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HN Discussion 20 top-level · 26 replies
jyscao 2026-02-24 13:53 UTC link
So does this mean Discord is scrapping its new face verification requirement for users, or imply they’re no longer using this 3rd party service (Persona) to do it? The article wasn’t too clear on that.
josefritzishere 2026-02-24 14:01 UTC link
This does not cure the face scanning nonsense. I deleted and am not going back.
john_strinlai 2026-02-24 14:08 UTC link
>Nearly 2,500 accessible files were found sitting on a U.S. government-authorized endpoint, researchers pointed out on X. The files showed Persona conducted facial recognition checks against watchlists and screened users against lists of politically exposed persons.

>Persona performs 269 distinct verification checks, including screening for “adverse media”

im sure everyone assumed this, but its good to know it.

>And the information was openly available. “We didn’t even have to write or perform a single exploit, the entire architecture was just on the doorstep,”

it is kind of scary how often these types of situations are only found out because of wild incompetence. you have to imagine that most similar situations dont suffer from the same incompetence (and thus arent known)

>“At Discord, protecting the privacy and security of our users is a top priority.

please, i wish companies would just stop saying this obvious lie. you know that you dont care. we know that you dont care.

>It’s dystopian that we want people to facedox themselves to everyone to be real online.

.... says the ceo of the company that you have to send your face ("facedox", if you will) to

midtake 2026-02-24 14:12 UTC link
> According to Discord, only a small number of users were part of this test, in which any information submitted could be stored for up to seven days before it would be deleted.

Ah yes, we only store it for 7 days. During those 7 days, we pass it to Persona, and who knows how long they keep it!

mkesper 2026-02-24 14:22 UTC link
Related: I Verified My LinkedIn Identity. Here's What I Handed Over https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47098245
bri3d 2026-02-24 14:36 UTC link
The referenced write-up based on the Persona front end code is here:

https://vmfunc.re/blog/persona

I definitely recommend reading this primary source before drawing conclusions about the code as most of the secondary reporting is quite low quality.

mikkupikku 2026-02-24 14:37 UTC link
For some reason, discord has never asked more from me than a verified email address. No phone number or anything else. Maybe I'm being monitored and they don't want to spook me off the honeypot? Half joking..
mentalgear 2026-02-24 15:08 UTC link
Everyday someone cuts ties with Palentier's Peter Thiel (or the rest of the digital mafia), it's a good day for society as a whole.
stephc_int13 2026-02-24 15:24 UTC link
This name is turning radioactive. Not a bad thing.
rocketpastsix 2026-02-24 15:33 UTC link
the damage is already done though. Discord just burned years of goodwill and trust. Im in a few discord communities and while they aren't moving Im not looking to join any more right now because of this whole thing.
krunger 2026-02-24 16:01 UTC link
They sacrificed one, but was it to save the rest? Surely Theil didn't act alone or in a vacuum
kevincloudsec 2026-02-24 16:23 UTC link
discord already had 70k government IDs breached through age verification last year. their fix was handing the next batch to a vendor with 2500 files sitting on a government endpoint.
motbus3 2026-02-24 16:29 UTC link
They should never even started doing businesses with that labeled figure.

Like ring recently, they just try to see it the thing sticks and that pisses me off. They should have that as a starting point.

shevy-java 2026-02-24 17:04 UTC link
I am not convinced.

Teter Piel (don't want to use the other name) kind of purchased a LOT of influence power via lobbyists. One lobbyist is Sebastian Lurz (also not going to use the real name here; the letter "l" is an in-country humourous take on Lüssel, Lasser and so forth - ex-politicians). The superrich buy influence and worsen the situation for the rest of us. This has to stop. The USA is currently under direct control of them - this also has to stop. I do not buy into Discord's attempt here though - they 100% knew what they were doing. The only reason they respond in this way is because they alienated and scared their user base with their idea to sniff-invade everyone. It was never about protecting kids in the first place - it was to spy.

ethin 2026-02-24 17:07 UTC link
what is such a shame is, well, two things: first, that these companies even do this kind of thing at all (i.e., age verification); and second, that it takes the kind of backlash this event has generated for them to cut ties with these companies. Apparently, it is too much to ask for any corporation to even give a damn about who runs or backs another corporation that they want to associate themselves with these days.
JohnMakin 2026-02-24 17:10 UTC link
Early 2024 if you had speculated about this about Persona's broader goals you would have been called nuts. It has become increasingly obvious though.
aylmao 2026-02-24 17:29 UTC link
For anyone interested, they published the post-mortem of the referenced incident:

https://withpersona.com/blog/post-incident-review-source-map...

ramon156 2026-02-24 17:45 UTC link
Right, and in June they'll try it again. Small setbafk
Bender 2026-02-24 18:20 UTC link
Does cutting ties with Persona actually take them out of the picture? Whomever they move to can then relay or sell data to Persona. Third party turtles all the way down. inb4 but they pinky promised...

The appropriate solution would be to send an RTA header [1] from the servers and the client must check to see if parental controls are enabled on the device or in the application. Not perfect, but likely sufficient to protect small children assuming the account is a child account and the parent enabled parental controls. Teens will always be able to bypass controls whether local or third party. Teens can share porn, warez, movies and more in rated-G video games with one another and small children. Or over SFTP/FTP/P2P/S3/HTTPS. Or a million other ways. Have fun playing whack-a-mole.

[1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46152074

Beijinger 2026-02-24 23:25 UTC link
Is this the same provider that linkedin uses? I was never able to pass this succefully.
AlexandrB 2026-02-24 14:36 UTC link
Discord's previous statement:

> "Identity documents submitted to our vendor partners are deleted quickly— in most cases, immediately after age confirmation"

So now it's not "immediately" but 7 days? I don't know how anyone can trust any statement from these guys.

Macha 2026-02-24 14:38 UTC link
K-id is the vendor they were proposing which did on device processing. They were trying to downplay the initiative by saying all the k-id data stayed on device.

This was undermined by the fact they were also trialling a switch to Persona (the vendor in the story), which did not uphold that guarantee. It was horrific optics to be reassuring people that it was ok because you didn’t save data but also be trialling a switch to a vendor which did save data, which I guess is a lot of the reason this vendor switch was cancelled. (Though it does call into question discord’s judgment that they thought this was a good idea).

Anyway, Persona was also breached which is how the government links were discovered and also probably a part of this decision. This is not to be confused with the breach in November of 5CA, _another_ vendor they used in the initial UK and Australia roll outs. The fact that two vendors were breached in four months is a good example of why this is a bad idea

bondarchuk 2026-02-24 14:58 UTC link
Submitted 6 days ago but flagged https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47059129

@dang can this get a second chance?

Aurornis 2026-02-24 15:01 UTC link
> So does this mean Discord is scrapping its new face verification requirement for users,

No, they’re outsourcing the verification to an external company. Just not this one.

Side note: The verification is only if you want to remove content filters, join adult-themed servers and a couple other features. If you only want to chat with your friends and use voice then no verification is required.

harrisoned 2026-02-24 15:06 UTC link
Same for me, and my account is almost a decade old. I think it depends a lot where are you from and the kind of activity, as i read stories of people being asked to register a number out of nowhere. Many servers requires you to have it tho, due to spam protection. I just don't talk on those.
HWR_14 2026-02-24 15:08 UTC link
Each discord server can decide whether they only will allow people with a phone number on. When you hit one of those, Discord will ask you for your number.
dgxyz 2026-02-24 15:38 UTC link
Good article but the web site gave me eye and ear cancer.

Please make it actually readable and don't steal my audio!

dcchambers 2026-02-24 15:51 UTC link
Discord is a cancer on the open internet anyway.

Real time chat? Great. But entire communities, forums, and wikis moving behind the locked walled of Discord has been a disaster for information discovery.

Don't replace Discord with a similar alternative. Return to open forums and wikis!

Devasta 2026-02-24 15:51 UTC link
They really should be a proscribed organization.
jacquesm 2026-02-24 16:08 UTC link
Discord? Or Thiel? Or both?
n8cpdx 2026-02-24 16:10 UTC link
Can someone explain to me how Discord got so big in the first place, particularly for non-gaming uses?

I saw this coming a mile away when folks started ditching slack for Discord - Slack being problematic because a) it was profit-seeking and would use its leverage over your personal data to seek rent and b) it was antithetical to the open web.

Discord has the exact same two issues so was obviously not a solution.

Why did the internet en masse fall for it again?

chankstein38 2026-02-24 16:58 UTC link
I've exported any servers that I run as backups and plan to uninstall if I get an age verification prompt personally.
rogerrogerr 2026-02-24 17:15 UTC link
This refusal to use people’s names comes across as childish and distracts from your intended point.
GuB-42 2026-02-24 17:26 UTC link
I think they have been steadily losing their years of goodwill and trust over time. Their client is becoming worse and worse every release, introduced ads, etc... Typical enshittification, it could be worse, but Discord already went from being cool to being tolerable. The age verification thing is just another step on the way down.
nebezb 2026-02-24 17:27 UTC link
I read it and, maybe it’s because I’ve spent too much time in fintech, I don’t share most of the concerns.

The differences in proclaimed data retention periods is concerning though. The rest is par for the course for KYC/AML.

cloverich 2026-02-24 17:31 UTC link
Note also there's a direct response from Persona's security team here[1], and a lot of back and forth from Rick on Twitter[2].

[1]: https://withpersona.com/blog/post-incident-review-source-map...

[2]: https://x.com/Persona_IDV/status/2025048195773198385?s=20

cratermoon 2026-02-24 17:33 UTC link
Remember the good ol' days of the last century when we worried about Big Government spying on us?
m4rtink 2026-02-24 18:03 UTC link
Isn't it a good thing ? It makes clearly marks companies like Persona dangerous and toxic enough to hopefully makes an example that prevents others from working with them.
CivBase 2026-02-24 18:23 UTC link
The bigger shame is that it took Peter Theil's name to get people's outraged about this. Discord handed over their users' identifications to a third party without regard for how it would be used or secured. I don't care if it was backed by Peter Theil or Mother Theresa - it's a huge problem either way.

And they'll do it again too. They'll find a new partner - one with less baggage - to do the exact same thing and few people will bat an eye.

PUSH_AX 2026-02-24 18:32 UTC link
What is he? Voldemort?
navbaker 2026-02-24 21:00 UTC link
That last quote, buried at the end of the article, absolutely killed me. I cannot believe he had the nerve to say that doing what he does everyday
literallyroy 2026-02-24 21:01 UTC link
Thanks. I was curious if someone was going to address the weird use of “CATASTROPHIC” to describe source maps being available for front-end code. It’s already public. Minified is better for the regular user, and should be in production, but it’s like by far the least problematic thing in this article.
WorldMaker 2026-02-24 22:27 UTC link
Discord isn't scrapping its plans, just assuring people that one of the vendors they trialed in a sub-market they aren't moving forward with globally. They've been trying for a multi-vendor solution from the beginning and k-ID is the vendor they've been much more publicly happy with than Persona.

Today Discord also released a rather comprehensive (and good) recap of the plan so far, their apologies for some of their messaging mistakes, and what comes next: https://discord.com/blog/getting-global-age-assurance-right-...

(Also, from that post most notably mentioned about the global rollout is delayed in light of some of these vendor verification issues and also hoping to rollout a few more features to even further lesson the need for age verification by many users. One such feature being first-class opt-in "spoiler channels", which some servers had been using age restricted channels for that rather than opt-in roles and somewhat more complex role-based permissions.)

cloverich 2026-02-25 05:00 UTC link
And his follow up here: https://vmfunc.re/blog/persona-2
thefz 2026-02-25 05:53 UTC link
The problem with Discord is their upcoming IPO, and reconciling the fact that their only valuable asset is their userbase - and their billions of messages - with a way to sell this asset and make it valuable to the investors in some way.
yuppiepuppie 2026-02-25 06:24 UTC link
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